Ban on gas stoves

[calldoctoday]

processhead Thank You Paul, we really appreciate it. I need to get that batch of Doppel Bock done & have one for them & everyone.

[calldoctoday]

GWG8541 Thank you, we really appreciate it.

[calldoctoday]

zbigjeff Thank you Jeff.

[calldoctoday]

Mcjagger Thank you, we really appreciate it.

[kyle]

calldoctoday Congrats, glad everyone is doing good. How long before you have him in the kitchen mixing sausage?

[calldoctoday]

kyle Thank you Kyle, we really appreciate it. Just as soon as we can sneak him away from Mama, we are going to have to put him to work. But, we will let him eat a little first to get a good taste for them. Will make a pot of gumbo next week for Mom & Dad with some Andouille & chicken sausage in it to help start getting the flavors out there.

[GWG8541]

Jamieson22 because it is political, there are politicians who are seriously wanting to ban them in several states. There is also a group called the Rocky Mountain Institute pushing the agenda. The bottom line is plenty of things in our society are known to be harmful to you, but I do not want or trust policians to be the one telling me how to live my life.

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/meet-the-green-energy-group-behind-the-study-thats-driving-calls-to-ban-gas-stoves/

[zbigjeff]

GWG8541 Well said.

[calldoctoday]

GWG8541 I am not sure that anyone could have said that better, well thought out & well said!

[wvotrfan]

GWG8541
It looks like RMI actually funded the study. Here is their mission statement:

Our Mission: Transforming the global energy system to secure a clean, prosperous, zero-carbon future for all.

I guess funding a study that links gas stoves to child health issues leading to the possible ban on millions of gas stoves is a big step in their mission.

[cdavis]

calldoctoday congrats to the whole family

[calldoctoday]

cdavis Thank You Charlie, we really appreciate it.

[Craig Rice]

is there a difference between natural gas and propane ?

[GWG8541]

Craig Rice they are similar, but yes they are different. Propane is heavier than air and generally speaking more efficient than natural gas, which is lighter than air. They are both fossil fuels.

[calldoctoday]

Craig Rice Excellent question. One of my sons asked the exact same question the other day as we discussed this. If I am not mistaken, Natural gas is retained in the gas form & is primarily natural Methane, with some other additives like the smell, etc. Whereas I keep thinking that not only is propane a liquid (it can freeze), but it is also more refined & may contain some other base fuels & additives in addition to the Methane.

[GWG8541]

calldoctoday I heat with propane and it can freeze, but I believe the freeze point for the liquid is below negative 300 degrees. I believe I was told that in extreme weather below -44 degrees it runs a risk of causing problems at the regulator if the liquid cannot evaporate into the gas form we all use. Im hoping I never have to find out.

[calldoctoday]

GWG8541 I did not realize it was that low. I would swear I have seen situations in very cold weather, on more than one occasion, where the propane would not work because it had allegedly frozen & had to thaw, then it worked fine. I can assure you, the temps were not even close to that as you can imagine. That has me intrigued as I have understood that now for a long, long, long time. Thanks for getting me to think about it some more. Not tonight, but sometime in the near future.

[GWG8541]

calldoctoday if you find out let me know. It was explained to me by my HVAC guy when he installed the furnace. The liquid takes a lot to freeze, but it has to be warm enough to evaporate and put of the gas. Im sure there is someone on here smarter than I am that can explain it all.

[calldoctoday]

GWG8541 Well, it sounds like the not too smart guy would be me. I did not really feel like doing much research on this tonight as I am trying to wrap it up here in the office & my head is aching. However, I did a little more, but will not get into it too deep. My thoughts on it, s I understood it all these years were apparently a little on the simple side. You are right, although I saw multiple numbers, maybe some were actually centigrade, I am not sure. The bottom line though is that the propane itself is very unlikely to freeze in our typical world. However, it appears more complicated than my simple thoughts that it freezes & does not work. Even though it is not freezing, it is still affected by real cold weather as the pressure in the tank will drop with the much colder weather, especially if the tank is less full & as I understand it, then the liquid cannot vaporize back to a gas & get through the regulator & to the burner, due to lack of pressure & that was why I was seeing situations where it was not working in very cold weather & I had always been told it was freezing a long time ago & I just stuck with it. Thanks for bringing that to my attention & I will look into it more at another time. Now the big question regarding all this stuff though, is what is the impact of LP vs NG regarding all this business about NG being bad. It bothers me too, because we have always been told how much cleaner & better it is to burn NG vs Petro in vehicles & how clean NG is a fuel. We are all getting very deep into this stuff now.

[dawg]

calldoctoday
NG is mostly methane and has 1 carbon and 4 hydrogens, is lighter than air. Propane is made of 3 carbons and 8 hydrogens and is heavier than air. In appliances, you have to change out the orifices to make sure the gas to air mixture is correct. Propane is cooled and pressurized down into a liquid while natural gas is usually just pressurized and pumped thru pipes in a distribution system. Mercaptan is a sulfur product added to both so we can smell them.
As to the long term health effects and which one is cleaner to burn in your house, I’m not for sure, but methane, I believe would probably be a more complete combustion with less carbon monoxide and other byproducts as long as the gas to air ratio is right for both. In my opinion, both are safe when used properly.